Better organization of goal hierarchies
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marcel
When I select the goals view, I see a list on the left side with the lifelong goals in the top, long term goals in the middle and the short term goals in the bottom.
But I cannot see in this list which lower level goals roll up to (or contribute to) which higher level goals.
This makes working with different levels of goals quite difficult.
What I would like to see is that the list of goals is a collapsible tree of goals, similar like when you can click on a carrot or a plus sign in a folder hierarchy to show the child folders (clicking again hides them again).
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marcel
I'd like to add another thought to this topic.
I use the concepts of objectives -> strategies -> tactics to structure my work. I could easily use the three levels of goals in Toodledo to capture this, if and only if I would be able to see which strategies relate to which objectives (and which tactics relate to which strategies).
I can't do this in toodledo, because all the lifelong goals are lumped together in one list, and the same with long-term and short-term goals. If only I could see this in one hierarchical list!
I'm now using Mindmeister and Meistertasks to do this, and so I end up using two task tools to structure my work. Toodledo for day to day work, Meistertask for the more strategic work.
Not ideal and not sustainable. I really hope that Toodledo can improve the implementation of goals.
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FabMa
What about using goals as an outline and make outlines usable as tasks?
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marcel
FabMa: Or at least connect tasks to a specific entry in an outline.
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Srewolf
Additionally, toodledo does not seem to make use of these hierarchies in any way, so what is the point of defining them?
It would be nice if selecting or filtering on a higher-level goal produced all tasks which are hierarchically linked to that goal. Right now that is not the case. For example, it would be nice to have, say, lifelong goals of "work", "self", "family", etc., such that if I want to filter or sort by a particular lifelong goal, that all tasks relating to sub-goals of that particular lifelong goal show up.
Right now that is not the case: for example, I have each specific work projects defined as a long-term goals which "contributes to" to a lifelong goal of "Work". But if I ask to see tasks relating to the lifelong goal of "Work", nothing shows up -- these hierarchical goal linkages are ignored. I have to manually go through all specific work-related lifelong goals to see them. So what is the point of defining any of my long-term work goals in terms of a lifelong goal of "Work" if this information is not utilized??
Same issue with long-term goals and short-term goals.
I organize my days according to long-term goals: "work" during one time period, "family" obligations another time period, "self" another time period. I've hacked an approach to that involves putting a digit in front of each goal name to signify which lifelong goal it relates to, so that I can sort by lifelong goal and thus see my related tasks grouped together.
However, this hack sorts by specific work project -- if hierarchical goals were properly implemented, I could instead ask for, say, all work-related tasks sorted by priority, using the goal menu at the left, as suggested above. Yes, there are other work-arounds such as building a saved search, but since goal hierarchies are already defined in Toodledo, why not use them? Otherwise what are they for?
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marcel
Srewolf: I 100% agree with what you wrote about being able to see tasks that are linked to a shorter term goal, when you're viewing a related longer term goal.
After all, the task that contributes to the shorter term goal ALSO contributes to the longer term goal, if the shorter term goal contributes to the longer term goal.
I agree that only when this works well it makes sense to use the concept of longer and shorter term goals.